Old Trains!
I am guessing that most GDB readers have at least a passing interest in old steam locomotives. Just because. I have two nice vintage slides for you featuring those wonderful machines!
First up is this scan of a slide I bought off of eBay, with the hand-written note, "Warnerville Train, 1952". It looks like a scene right out of a movie! And, as it turns out, that is not far from the truth. The locomotive is the Sierra Railway No. 3, the "Movie Star locomotive"! Built in 1891, the #3 has appeared in MANY movies and TV shows. It was the Hooterville Cannonball in "Green Acres", for gosh sakes! And if that wasn't enough for you, it appeared in High Noon, Finian's Rainbow, Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven and Pale Rider, The Great Race, The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides Again, and Back to the Future Part III. To name but a few! The locomotive even has its own Wikipedia entry.
Today's photo happens to have been taken shortly after the filming of High Noon, according to one resource the photo was actually taken in September of 1951. It's a beauty.
Next is this photo of the "Oregon Pony" (another locomotive that has its own Wikipedia page)... designed and built in 1861 by the Vulcan Iron Works in San Francisco, was the first locomotive built on the west coast and the first locomotive to operate in the Pacific Northwest. I believe that the Pony was on display at Oregon's Union Station (Portland) in this undated photo. The Oregon Pony is now on display inside a weatherproof glassed enclosure by the Cascade Locks Historical Museum.
I hope you have enjoyed today's old trains!
34 comments:
Major-
Just appearing in Green Acres is pedigree-enough for me-! I feel as if I'm staring at Hollywood greatness.
The "Oregon Pony" is so darling... a real cutie. (Boy, there's language no likely spoken in railroad circles-!)
Thanks, Major.
Is that water tower the same one that the Petticoat Junction ladies used to bathe in?
- Tokyo Marinade!
As a very young kid I loved seeing Petticoat Junction and Green Acres reruns JUST for glimpses of this locomotive!! ..... the rest of those shows had a “depressing” feeling to me ... the houses and buildings always ramshackle etc lol. I preferred the well appointed and decorated homes on shows like Bewitched and The Brady Bunch.
For some reason I always thought this locomotive was still on the Sierra Railroad ..... but in the the last year watching Petticoat Junction reruns .... it gave thanks at the end of each episode to the Oregon location .... so I was confused .... but GDB sets the record straight!
The Great Race has been my most favorite movie of all time from as long as I can remember! I wasn’t born yet when it first appeared in the theaters ... but I actually first saw it not on tv but in an auditorium at my school when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade. My school would show movies sometimes - large theater size films ... but I don’t know why . It would cost 50 cents and you would get popcorn and punch. I LOVED the movie but upon reflection it seems like an adult film for little grade school kids. I kept talking about the movie and I remember being exited when my grandparents and uncles knew exactly what movie I was talking about and were kinda stunned my grad school was showing it!
That first scan has beautiful color and clarity for 1951. I'm guessing you worked a little of your magic on it?
The Oregon Pony looks like the love-child between a steam train and a horseless carriage.
Evidently, those pointy-eared Vulcans have been messing with our development for quite some time.
Tokyo Marinade!, I haven't seen Petticoat Junction for many decades but it seems like their water tower didn't have a roof? Of course, that doesn't rule out this tower being the tower. Perhaps you were just making a funny.
Mike C., The Great Race has always been one of my favorites as well. I think I first saw it at a drive-in theater. We weren't in the drive-in, but in the bushes along the perimeter... my cousins lived next door to the theater and we could hear the sound coming from the tinny speakers a few feet away. "Push the button, Max!"
Thanks Major.
Mike, my school always showed movies the last day of school before winter break. They'd pile all 500 of us in grades 7-12 into the auditorium for the day - sometimes it was a half day and we'd go home at lunchtime, but more than once they kept us all day and had us leave in groups for our regular lunchtimes. The dessert at those lunches was always ice cream with bits of broken candy canes in it. They'd rent a feature or two from a catalog and fill the rest of the program with whatever shorts they had on hand. The one year I was on the student council committee that rented the feature, we requested Tron but they sent us some Jerry Lewis movie instead.
Now I've got the Petticoat Junction theme stuck in my head.
Lovely choo-choo pictures today. Who doesn't love a good train?
My dad loved steam trains and he always seemed to recognize Sierra #3 no matter how they tried to camouflage it. He was also versed in the history of the Disneyland locomotives as well as all the steam locomotives in the SoCal area.
I have to admit that I am a huge fan of the Great Race and when I saw it on BluRay I had to get it.
Oddly, my favorite detail is actually the guys shaking hands in the background of the first photo. Says a lot.
TM!, the water tower used in Petticoat Junction was located at Jamestown and did not have a roof. This is a photo of the water tank at Warnerville. I can’t seem to find a photo of the tank, but I did find that a craftsman model kit was produced in HO scale at one time.
One of the grade school school systems I attended would do something similar just before Christmas. They’d get the whole school body into one place and show us either Digby, the Biggest Dog in the World or Jason and the Argonauts, which were the only two feature-length films the district owned. I already had a thing for Harryhausen monsters but developed a real appreciation for Jim Dale’s talents because of these annual screenings. We’d also occasionally get to see episodes of Zorro., which I had watched regularly as a younger kid in Northern California but was not being shown in reruns in the St. Louis area and unfamiliar to many of my classmates.
One year when I was in junior high in another state, they showed the Honor Roll kids the just-barely-out-of-theaters Tron, which I hadn’t seen yet. The only places they could pack us all together were the New Gym and the Old Gym/Cafeteria/Auditorium. The New Gym would have been perfect as there were no windows (although it did have doors and did not stretch), but it had a wooden floor and they had to put down some kind of covering over it before setting up chairs, so they set the screen up on the stage in the Old Gym. It had high windows that there was no way to cover, so we spent to movie straining to see the 16mm print in the bright daylight and trying to hear dialogue from the projector over the sound of the cafeteria staff cleaning up after lunch in the adjacent kitchen as we slowly dehydrated from the oversalted popcorn they gave us without any accompanying drinks. I didn’t really understand the plot of Tron until I saw it years later with my Tron Legacy-obsessed kids.
My whole reason for watching the Junction in my youth was to spot the Cannonball Special! I am probably WAY too impressed with all the movies and shows this machine has been in! My first thought, "How did they ship it around the world to all those locations?" ;-)
Ha! One of the most recognizable trains in the world! Major, you scored getting this photo!
We watched both Petticoat Junction and Green Acres, of course. Dad loved Green Acres, especially the bit in the intro where Eddie Arnold drives his tractor wearing a suit. Being a farmer, he loved all the farm stereotypes as seen by city folk, including the ramshackle house.
Both shows are on various video services for free. I started Green Acres, but couldn’t get past a half season. We had different entertainment standards then.
The scenery out the train window, and in some long shots, is familiar since it is the southeastern San Joaquin Valley near my childhood home. I read that the fictional town of Hooterville (there’s a Freudian slip!) was possibly located in the Sierra foothills, since there is a real town, Pixley, (near Tulare) referenced in the plots, so the train would fit in that scenery. Wikipedia doesn’t have that story, but that doesn’t make it wrong.
Was this this same train used in Wild, Wild West?
Never watched the Great Race. I’ll have to fix that.
Chuck and Melissa, my school did similar events, the only movie I remember was “Judge Roy Bean”.
JG
Nanook, I agree, the “Hooterville Cannonball” is sort of the Marlon Brando of Locomotives. And I can tell that you are a die-hard RR fan just from your descriptions!
TokyoMagic!, those gals were nekkid in there!
Mike Cozart, I haven’t seen “Petticoat Junction” for years - other than the fact that it was in the “Green Acres” universe, and that it had pretty girls, it’s all a distant blur. I don’t ever remember being depressed by the ramshackle buildings in those CBS shows, maybe because the people themselves seemed relatively happy (not Mr. Douglas, of course). The Great Race is another thing that I haven’t seen since I was a kid, and I mostly remember how pretty Natalie Wood was. And Jack Lemmon’s “look”. Many people on this blog cite it as one of their all-time favorites, though!
JB, I actually did almost nothing to that first photo - it just goes to show how great Kodachrome is when used with a good camera. I love the “big toy” look of the Oregon Pony, and the way the stack goes through a hole in the roof. And you’re right, the Petticoat Junction water tower was open on top, that’s how the gals could get nekkid and swim in there.
Melissa, our school did show movies on very rare occasions, but it was always a Disney movi. “Monkeys Go Home” was one, and “Son of Flubber” was another. I remember a few True Life Adventures (“White Wilderness”). Ice cream with bits of candy canes, yum! I love peppermint ice cream. “Tron” seems like a funky choice, but I would have been very disappointed to then have to sit through a Jerry Lewis movie. Let’s just say I don’t appreciate Jerry’s humor.
MRaymond, to a true railroad fan, the Sierra #3 was as distinctive as one of their own children. It didn’t hurt that it was often the “go to” locomotive for so many TV shows and films.
Chuck, I just thought those two men were holding hands. Hey, as long as they’re happy. I am stunned that the water tower from Petticoat Junction is not just a movie prop. Of course, back when that show was filmed, every town had a water tower, and a small general store with a party line. I walked to a one-room schoolhouse with my sister, Mary Belle. “Jason and the Argonauts”, that was a good one! I must have watched “Zorro” when I was a kid, I remember having some Zorro merchandise, but my gosh, I don’t actually remember anything about any of the episodes. As for “Tron”, I was at that stage where I was reading all about Disney films and animation, and was so excited to see the film when it came out. I think I was a bit underwhelmed when I finally saw it, even though the lightcycles and other sequences looked very cool. Amazing to think that this was some of the first computer graphics that many of us saw!
Stu29573, I clearly was not a very bright or inquisitive child.
JG, the funny thing is that when I was researching this slide, I found a website that used this very photo as reference for the Sierra Railway #3. I wonder if I outbid somebody who really wanted it on eBay? I don’t recall paying much for it (I wouldn’t have bid very high), or else somebody just nabbed the jpeg and they were perfectly happy with that. Reminds me of watching a YouTube video about the Phantom Boats and seeing one of my slides in the video, I think the person took the jpeg from the eBay auction. I know that a lot of these old TV shows are now available on outlets such as “MeTV”, but… I got rid of my TV when I moved. It’s true. I watch things on my computer or iPad. Sure, I could get another TV, but whenever I sit down to watch, I immediately think that I should be doing something else. And YES, the Sierra No. 3 was used in “The Wild Wild West”!!
@ JB-
"The Oregon Pony looks like the love-child between a steam train and a horseless carriage." I couldn't have said it any better myself. (I wonder if that's how it was marketed-??)
@ Melissa-
"...we requested Tron but they sent us some Jerry Lewis movie instead". You just know there's a joke [or two] in there - somewhere-!
JG, in addition to the operating Sierra #3 locomotive, the 1:1 scale fiberglass, wood, and metal model used for soundstage appearances of the Hooterville Cannonball was also used on-set in The Wild Wild West to represent the train used by Jim West (Robert Conrad) & Artemus Gordon (Ross Martin - another Great Race tie-in!). The two locomotives were not identical; the model was actually built for the 1950 movie A Ticket to Tomahawk as a stand-in for 3-foot narrow-gauge Rio Grande Southern #20.
The model has switched hands several times over the years. It was owned by the Hoyt Hotel in Portland, Oregon and on lease in Hollywood at the time those shows were made, which explains the credit at the end of Petticoat Junction episodes that Mike references above. It’s changed hands a few more times since then but is currently owned by the Durango Railroad Historical Society and on display in Santa Rita Park in. Durango, Colorado.
The Wild Wild West is another of my favorite shows!! Actually #3 was used as James West’s private train ( locomotive ) for the pilot and first season .... then it was replaced with another of Hollywood’s most favorite movie trains ... The INYO #22 a 1872 Baldwin if the Virginia & Truckee Railroad ( Virginia City Nevada ) .... #22 was the locomotive from the movie HARVEY GIRLS. In some episodes of The Wild Wild West , the INYO #22 is filmed as #8 because images could be used backwards shown as #8 but not as #22. The INYO is on display in the Nevada state museum and only brought out and put under steam for special events .
Ironically if it wasn’t for Several hollywood Studios many vintage steam locomotives would have never survived thru the 20th century!
Oh! I almost forgot : the INYO #22 was backdated from its 1875 appearance and used by Disney for The Great Locomotive Chase movie that takes place during the Civil War!
And for you model road fans .... the INYO #22 and her sisters locomotives GENOA and RENO were sold as HO models during the 1960’s thru the 1980’s by AHM MODELS , manufactured by POCHER/RIVAROSSI of Italy. Then again by IHC - Mehano in the 1990’s.
MANTUA / TYCO sold a model of the RoGERS 1890 #3 under various road names ..... but also in train set for PETTICOAT JUNCTION and THE SANTA FE & DISNEYLAND RAILROAD ( incorrectly labeled The Ernst S Marsh)
Loved Petticoat Junction and it's big brother Green Acres. Sometimes, even though I do not live far from the Big Apple, I feel like I am in Hooterville. That episode where "Hollywood is coming to town" ... they were rehearsing with a camera and the lens was made out of a tomato can..."don't ever look in the tomato can!!"....then the real camera came in and they were talking about: "DONT LOOK INTO THE TOMATO CAN" with the photographer scratching his head repeating "Tomato can? Huh?"... Some of those jokes were so hilarious and way ahead of their time- lots of inside humour- and Lisa does make some great "Hotscakes"...one episode she carved out the slate of dough for hotscakes and the used the leftover as a radiator grill or something for their truck..something like that...I appreciated it much more as an adult. Eva Gabor was awesome, and also a big Disneyland fan. I did not meet her, but knew her tour guide for that day...lots of talk about the goings ons of Merv Griffin (her BFF) and the chickens and wildlife in her Beverly Hills mansion yard. Life imitating art. Speaking of films being shown in High School Auditoriums: There was a lack of theatre space in Glendale California one holiday season, and I guess that is a HUGE money making area for screening Disney films. (I think it was for Beauty and the Beast), and the studio decided to rent out Glendale High as a movie venue, sent our department to be ushers, ticket sellers etc. (in a movie usher-ish costume from WDW...with a pill box hat...purple...probably Cozart knows...) and it all was a HUGE hit for it's few weeks run. Perhaps that led to the purchase of El Capitan, and the whole Broadway/etc. experience...I think there was some sort of pre-show or something. I wasn't on of the people who went, but apparently, it was a big dealio with a lot of eyes on the profitability of it all. For the trains, I choose bachelor #1. I never saw the Great Race, but I did see Apple Dumpling Gang, and I thought it was corny and terrific!
I'm with Bu...I LOVE Green Acres, as an adult. A few years back, we watched it and found it so corny, but enjoyed it. I got such a kick out of Lisa's dumpy bedroom with the contrast of the rich purple velvet bedspread - with holes in the outside walls and such - that I now have a purple velvet bedspread on our bed - just because it reminds me of Green Acres and makes me smile. No holes in the outside walls.
Bu, a number of years back I read Merv Griffin's autobiography (Merv: Making the Good Life Last) and I remember how he talked about his love for Eva. It was so sweet, an enjoyable read.
Mike or Chuck or someone else: Do you know the history behind the Little House on the Prairie train they used occasionally? My husband and I watched, and enjoyed that show, as adults (we hated it, as teenagers), and my husband would always comment how much he enjoyed seeing that steam train. Just wondering...
The only movie I ever remember seeing in my grade school gymnasium was that 'facts of life' movie - the one with lots of 'cartoon' drawings. You know, that one.
Thanks for the fun post, today, Major and all!
Mike, I’d forgotten about the AHM/Rivarossi 4-4-0. A friend of mine from college had one. I seem to recall something about it being a bit big for HO scale and us theorizing it may have actually been in 1/76 / OO scale. I’d do the research but I don’t have access to any sort of tool that could help me look it up. Oh, to have the Batcomputer at my disposal…. And that’s funny that with two 4-4-0s to choose from on the DLRR roster, Tyco lettered their Disneyland 4-4-0 with the name of the only 2-4-0 they have.
And for another Disneyland tie-in, Bu, the stagecoach at the beginning of The Apple Dumpling Gang started its professional life operating out of the quaint little mining town of Rainbow Ridge.
Sue, Sierra Railway #3 was used in Little House for sure. I know they did some shooting at Old Tucson Studios and may have used their locomotive Reno in some scenes. A fire at Old Tucson in 1995 destroyed the wardrobe and I think the original set blueprints from Little House that were stored there.
Wow. So many interesting stories and information generated by today's post. Who'da thunk?
Mike, now that I’m looking at a picture of the Tyco/Mantua DLRR locomotive, I’m realizing I misread your comment. The model is actually a 4-6-0 like the actual Rogers locomotive on the Sierra Railway (which is what you said but I misunderstood), which makes sense for Petticoat Junction but not for any Disneyland loco. Colors are off, too. I still want one. :-)
Interesting, thanks, Chuck!
LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE filmed many railroad scenes on the Sierra Railroad...... it’s especially well covered in the episode of the Runnaway Caboose. The Inyo and Genoa , Dayton - all former Virginia & Truckee locomotives were used as well In some episodes ....... the Genoa however at the time could be made to look like it was steaming but really could not run so when it appears pulling into a station ( or in a episode where the Ingall’s go to the gold fields of the Dakota’s ...) is shown backing up ... the engine is actually being pushed or pulled into or outta the scene by a Diesel engine off set. The Original Genoa ( as well as all little house on the prairie surviving costumes and set pieces were destroy saved and stored ) was destroyed in the big Old Tucson Arizona Studio Fire years ago.......kept in storage at the Old Tucson Arizona location was the walnut grove church / school interior and exterior ( the exterior set was dismantled and moved from the Big Sky Ranch In Simi Valley Ca where “walnut grove” town was filmed . The Ingalls house exterior set #2 - slightly smaller than the outdoor house set ( used for soundstage scenes featuring extreme weather or Extended nighttime scenes ) was also lost in the Old Tucson fire. The Ingall’s outdoor house and barn were saved And left on their original site after the show’s filming but burned down as well after some of the massive california wild fires several years ago.
Little House also filmed on paramount lot , the Fox “hello dolly” sets ( to depict Chicago and Minneapolis ) and also on location in the real mining town of Columbia california and other actual historic towns.
On a 1975 episode of Little House Mary and her mom return to Walnut Grove on a stagecoach labeled “ BUTTERFLY STAGE LINE” .... direct from use on Disney’s APPLE DUMPLING GANG !! BUTTERFLY STAGE LINE being a parody of the famous BUTTERFIELD STAGE CO.
I’ve recently been working on a series of scale models for the State Parks of California of many of the Butterfield Stage ( later Wells Fargo) stations and depots. An interesting historical note: the family that ran the first Butterfield Stage station in Vallecito Ca , eventually went on to found the Anaheim Colony ( Anaheim , Ca)!!!!
CHUCK .... what’s funny about the incorrect choice of using the Rogers #3 locomotive to depict the Disneyland RR Marsh locomotive is that when Walt Disney introduces Primeval World coming to Disneyland On the wonderful world of Disney , they use that TYCO/Mantua Marsh train passing along the Primeval World maquetes and models !!!
A following up on Little House on the Prairie trains .... the show takes place during the 1870’s and into the early 1880’s snd with the exception of the INYO, GENOA, DAYTON locomotives and two passenger coaches all the railroad locomotives and rolling stock used is from the 1890’s and thru the 1920’s and would not be correct for the TV show’s time period.
Few viewers would pick up on the details but It would be like filming a movie that takes place in the 1950’s and using automobiles from the 1990’s and 2000’s.
Mike, thank you, too, for all that Little House on the Prairie info.
Will we get to see pictures of the models you're currently working on? I hope so.
Well when the project is completed I may post them on my design blog after getting permission. Almost every client these days has a disclosure in the contracts .... for assorted legal reasons. Disney is very severe .... one time I posted some obscure model details and Disney made me pull them ... thats why there was such a giant gap . Ironically Disney tried to get me to pull some model
Images that had nothing to do with them!!! Disney has no idea who they are or what they are doing anymore!! Lol!!
Mike, it’s creepy that Disney folks are spying on you.
Aren’t we all, Sue?
Nanook, I have no doubt that the design of those early locomotives was influenced by a desire to make them somewhat familiar. There was no real need for them to look that way, but people won’t accept anything too alien.
Chuck, wow, I’m going to have to look for a photo of that 1:1 model. The idea of making a full-size, completely believable model of a working locomotive is fascinating, especially since it was made (as you said) of fiberglass, wood, and metal. What, no sugar cubes?
Mike Cozart, I think most boys were fans of the action, fantasy, and slight sci-fi elements of “The Wild Wild West”. Such a great show, I know I watched it over and over. I loved the episodes with Miguelito Loveless (Michael Dunn) especially. You sure know a lot about those locomotives! It is kind of ironic that Hollywood saved so many steam locomotives.
Mike Cozart, I’ve never seen “The Great Locomotive Chase”, I wonder if it is on Disney+? I’m always surprised about what’s NOT there to watch. I assume that at least some of your knowledge of those models and expensive toys is due to your background as a professional model maker?
Bu, I was more of a “Green Acres” guy, there was just something about that show. Eddie Albert was perfect as the grumpy outsider, while Eva Gabor was surprisingly hilarious as the elegant and daffy Lisa Douglas. And all of the other characters… so great. For some reason I always thought it was funny when Eb would call Mr. Douglas “Dad”! I also remember watching Merv Griffin’s talk show during a specific stretch, when he would have guests like Steve Martin. He was a good interviewer and had a great self-deprecating sense of humor.
Lou and Sue, I’m SURE that Green Acres is corny, but I’ll bet I would still enjoy it, unlike some other shows from that era that just didn’t age well at all. Same with “The Beverly Hillbillies”, I wish I could watch some episodes right now. I love that you have a purple velvet bedspread as a tribute to Green Acres! I’ll bet Mike knows all about the train used on “Little House”! We definitely saw those “facts of life” movies, and how about those driver’s ed movies? “Red Pavement”!
Chuck, Look at you guys with all of your knowledge about model trains (and real ones)! I guess I will just sit back and enjoy the conversation, because I sure don’t have much to add. I love the detail about the stagecoach in “The Apple Dumpling Gang”!
Chuck, darn fires, they do have a tendency to ruin things. We have Paramount Ranch not too far from here, it was a fun western town that you could explore on days when they weren’t shooting. It was a good place to take out of town visitors. But it was almost completely destroyed in the 2018 Woolsey Fire, only the church (of course!) and the train depot survived. The rest was a mass of twisted metal and charred wood. I went there and took some photos but it was heartbreaking. Supposedly it will be rebuilt, which should be interesting. I wonder if it will look just the same, or if they will redesign it?
JB, I KNOW!
Chuck, you need to spend as much money as possible on model railroads. Your wife won’t mind!
Lou and Sue, Amen (inside joke, ha ha)!
Mike Cozart, I feel kind of left out, I didn’t watch “Little House” except for the parts that I saw when my sister was watching (and she was a huge fan!). It was just not really on my radar, though from all accounts it was a very good show. I drive through Simi Valley all the time but have no idea where the Big Sky Ranch is (or was). I’ll have to look it up! So awful that yet more history was lost in the Old Tucson Arizona studio fire. I thought that the church at Paramount Ranch had been used on Little House, but maybe I’m confusing that with “Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman”, which filmed there as well. I know you’re shared some of your models on your old blog!
Mike Cozart, like I said to Chuck, all I can do is sit back and read what you and he say to each other, since I have nothing of merit to add! But I’m enjoying the discourse.
Lou and Sue, I was going to ask Mike the same thing!
Mike Cozart, I guess I assumed that you were building those models for yourself, but I do understand that you should get permission if you are doing them for a client. I’m curious, can you say what the model details were from (the ones that Disney made you pull)? And I’ve heard tons of stories of studios having content removed because they claimed it belonged to them when IT DIDN’T.
Major, I enjoyed Merv Griffin’s talk show, and I love Steve Martin—so I’m going on YouTube now, to find that interview.
There were some close up details of Tiana’s Showboat restaurant in a “New Orleans “ section ( about where the plaza Inn would be located at Disneyland ) at the end of International Street for Shanghai DL..... the bridge and entry arch and some other details for Westernland at Shanghai .... and some shots of the “Ichabod Crane “ covered bridge for the New Liberty Square , and a few other unbuilt projects for Disneyland ,WDW , Shanghai DL , INDIA for WorldShowcase / Animal Kingdom..... but they were focused detail shots that didn’t really reveal anything ....
The blog was created after one a big layoff ... but eventually I was keeping pretty busy with consistent projects.
A BIG problem is stuff getting out dvd spreading among other blog posters , YouTube posters etc etc. sometimes presented in the wrong context. Another problem is images that are copyrighted being used on Etsy and Ebay merchandise. I remembered years ago a model of San Diego in 1872 was lifted from a State Park website and then used for some illustrations in some ghost hunter books .... man the BLANK really hit the fan on the book publisher and author.
Also sometime models are used for fund raising , press presentations and or special admission based displays and the owners don’t care to have the images out there etc. it varys with the client and the project. Some mid century models I designed I sold the designs and rights to a big model train company .... they will make changes to the models as they are developed as kits for sale .... and the new owners had me pull the prototypes where I could.
Yes .... trains and EXINWEST toys all added to my interested in design and model making.
The AHM Models referenced above were also made in 2-rail O scale.
Never watched “Little House”.
Not sure why, maybe I was in college with no TV.
I did laugh at the MAD magazine parody “Baby Carrie Falls in a Hole”.
Best part of “Green Acres” was Arnold Ziffel.
Fascinating comments back and forth, thanks everyone!
JG
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