Flower Market and Carnation Truck, April 1975
Here are two photos that were just made for a Snoozer Sunday. Not terrible, but "just OK". The focus is a bit soft, not sure if that's due to a crummy camera lens or a photographer with the "yips". I don't want to cast aspersions on that lady though, I'm sure she was lovable and kind. She's thrilled to find a place as pretty as the Flower Market in Disneyland!
Awww! It's nice that somebody thought to get a photo of the women with her husband, they seem very happy. Right after the picture was taken, the man hot-wired the Carnation milk truck and drove it right through the front gate and out onto Harbor Boulevard. TRUE STORY.
27 comments:
Major-
Gotta love that outfit with the pastel vertical stripes - and those short sleeves. (Is that some sort of wicker 'owl planter'-?) Groovy.
Thanks, Major.
Nanook, I noticed the owl, too. It "screams" mid-70s, that's for sure. It's probably macrame.
Fun pics, thanks, Major.
The Pastel Lady looks like she's wearing red earrings, but It's just the lettering on the Carnation truck. I like how the "C" in Carnation swallows up the "a".
The Pastel Lady has at least three layers of tops: yellow, white, and striped. And her husband is wearing the ever-popular mid-seventies burgundy pants. No white shoes, though.
It must be an overcast day; no shadows to speak of.
Sue, I think you're right. The macrame cords are hanging down below the owl. By the way... what does one do with a macrame owl?
The flowers are nice and colorful, even if they are a bit 'soft'. Thanks again, Major.
Anybody remember Carnation malts? They were a frozen confection, served in a cardboard cup with a little wood spoon, bigger than those tiny sundaes we used to get at church picnics. Last time I had one I think was in the 80s, from the snack bar of an art house cinema showing one of those animation festivals (student and foreign shorts).
For some more fun macrame, SEE HERE! Make sure you scroll all the way down...gotta love that man's vest!
@ DBenson-
I remember those Carnation frozen malts very well.
@ Sue-
I'm doing a total purge of all my clothes and replacing them with an All-Macrame wardrobe-! Heads will turn-!
HAHAHAHA, Nanook! It might be a little itchy.
I have a feeling this is going to be a really fun comment day...we're off to a great start.
Happy Sunday, everyone. I'll check back later.
Nanook, but... what about your vast collection of arsenic gowns and petticoats?
DB: CARNATION MALTS....YASSSSS! I remember because they were bigger than the "normal" little cups of ice cream. They also didn't "reek" of malt...which actually disappointed me. I LOVE malt. I grew up with Malteesers, and any kind of malt ball from any manufacturer is good with me. They may be on my "favorite food" list next to Popcorn which is my #1 favorite. Nothing to do with my stint in Disneyland as a vendor as I loved popcorn before that. On to Pant Suit: she is a gem. These look like "Normies from OC" It looks like HOPS (Husband of Pant Suit) works in DL Security, and PS works in Main Street Merchandising. That's where this Casting Employee would put them. I don't remember flower market being on this side...I remember outside Hallmark and Market House. This was eating patio for Carnation. That back window had the Mary Poppins models with Mary and Bert sitting on little ice cream chairs...that model is now in the Emporium complex. I'm glad they saved it, its super cute. Macrame. That that word even exists is a miracle. I loved to do macrame as a kid. We had a book of Macrame. It showed how to make all the macrame goodies: like hanging plant things and keychains and such. I made a few hanging things and the best thing was to put beads in them, which for me were yellow and green. I did not gravitate towards the earth tones of orange/brown. Macrame if you look at the word looks a little like Macabre...but that is a different word, used by mistress of the night Elvira, who I saw in concert down the street from Disneyland at a farm in Buena Park. She sang a song "Valley Ghoul" with Zombies as back ups. Carnation is still delightfully visually intact on Main Street...it could have been completely TRE'd, but I'm glad they decided to stylistically keep it. The flower Market was downsized on the east side and then of course completely disappeared. The cone shop was there, and then the uber glam, and much anticipated "new" lockers- that was a big deal, and the locker ladies were most excited: Kay (daughter was TG), Peggy (best friend was "Chips" Co-Star wife), and ever popular Louise: grew up at the "White House" (the Anaheim version, not the presidential"). Louise was the one who always told me when it was raining: "don't forget to put on your rubbers". Wardrobe did provide rubber shoes to go over your regulation black oxfords with defined heel. I am in ECPOT today for a few hours. Wish me luck...
My goodness, that woman looks an awful lot like someone who went to church with my grandmother. The guy looks familiar, too. Curious where these slides came from, Major, if you remember.
I never understood why they moved the Flower Mart across the street. You can see here how conveniently the original arrangement worked, with fresh carnations just outside the door, ready to milked.
DBenson, I remember those malts. That was my snack of choice when we would drive down to see the Cleveland Indians play the Athletics at the Oakland Coliseum. Oddly, I have no memory of them anywhere else. The malts, I mean; I’ve seen Cleveland play at other venues.
JB, there’s nothing preventing him from treating his new macramé ensemble with toxic emerald dyes.
Carnation malts! Only had them at one place - at a Dodger game back in the 60s. They start out totally frozen and you could hardly scoop out the stuff with the little wooden spoon. Funny, I often think of those malts when I see the Carnation truck.
There’s something about the Flower Mart that attracted ladies of a certain age, like moths to a flame, or bees to a carnation. Chuck, you’re right, these look like A Couple From Church.
DBenson, I remember little Carnation ice cream cups like you describe, I can’t confirm the malt part though. I recall them as dessert for the Mothers Day Lions Club BBQ picnic we went to every year. Hard as a brick until the ice cream melted a bit around the outside.
There was a similar confection from a dairy in St. Louis called a “concrete”. Only had that once as I only visited there once, can’t recall the name now.
Thanks Major, this is where the Flower Mart belongs.
JG
Here they are… Ted Drewes.
http://teddrewes.com/
JG
That pastel striped suit was specially designed for posing next to flowers. Makes a lovely color palette for the pictures.
The thing where a stranger sees one person taking a picture of another and offers to take a picture of both them together is one of my favorite things that happens at the Disney parks. I’ve been on both sides of it, and it just seems to make everybody’s day a little brighter.
Nanook, with those vertical stripes she will be camouflaged on the veldt, no lion will ever see her.
Lou and Sue, I seriously remember shops being filled with owl stuff, including plenty of macrame owls. Like you said, a real blast from the past!
JB, that lady is too nice to wear red earrings, she’s not a strumpet! It’s smart to dress in layers at Disneyland, you just never know how cold it could get later. She is wise. Macrame owls are known to bring good luck and prosperity. Probably.
DBenson, I can’t remember if I had the malts or just plain old ice cream. I think we actually took a field trip to a Carnation dairy when I was a kid, and we got little tubs of ice cream (or malts?) when we were done. I always liked to chew on the wooden spoon when I was done, because I am weird.
Lou and Sue, I predict that macrame will be coming back in style in a big way, and am investing all my money in yarn.
Nanook, don’t throw out your velour suits just yet!
Lou and Sue, you have to line macrame clothing with rare silk. That’s how I do it.
JB, petticoats, eh? Nanook would be right on the cutting edge of men’s fashion these days.
Bu, I do love a good malted milk ball, although the last time I had some (maybe last Halloween), the chocolate was pretty bad. I’d love a gourmet malted milk ball! I like popcorn alright, but almost never buy it. If my niece or nephew gets some when I take them to a movie, I’ll eat some of theirs! The Flower Market moved around in later years, so that’s probably why you remember it being in a different location. Ice cream chairs, won’t that make your butt cold? (I’m hilarious). I’m sad that Elvira has retired from doing her Knott’s shows, which I never got to see. I don’t think I knew that she did them until her last season, and by then it was too late. Still, I have my “Elvira Glow Cup” from Der Wienerschnitzel (from the 80s), one of my most treasured and valuable antiques. I have photos of the cone shop on this blog, you can do a search because I am too lazy to make a link.
Chuck, I got these slides out of your basement, I hope you don’t mind. I just dropped by, and nobody was home… you know how it is. Well, now everyone has their warm and wonderful memories of Carnation malts, and I don’t know if I ever had one. Also, my mom and dad never bought me a pony. I thought Carnation milk products might have been a west coat thing, unless your malts were by some other dairy. How could you be unfaithful to Carnation?!
Sunday Night, oh man, that sounds like the perfect thing to have at a Dodger game (besides Dodger Dogs of course). And nachos. Now I want to go to a ballgame.
JG, yes, you almost always see the Flower Market populated by moms and grandmas, with patient husbands standing nearby. It’s only fair, she’ll have to wait for him when they go to the Power Tools Market one block north. I think on rare occasions our schools would give out those little ice cream cups, it always seemed like such a special treat.
JG, we had a place near my mom’s that served burgers, fries, and frozen custard, and they made “concrete” as one of the options. I was always so full after my burger that I never tried one, and now they are gone, sadly. I forget the name of the place, which is driving me nuts.
JG, it must be a Midwest thing.
Melissa, I do have other photos of this woman, so I assume that more than one person in the party was taking the portrait. The couple is definitely looking in another direction in that one photo!
Bu, was the Anaheim White House you are referring to the Doll Museum at Hobby City?
JG, Ted Drewe’s is awesome, right there on old Route 66. And the Major is right - that term is a Midwest thing. You can get one at pretty much any ice cream shop, although you will occasionally see them called a “flurry” or an “avalanche.” Dairy Queen calls is a “Blizzard®.” I call it “delicious.”
Major, holy cats! I have a basement???!!! I wonder what’s down there. Or how I get into it. Is it under the crawl space?
@ JB-
"what about your vast collection of arsenic gowns and petticoats?" Oh, that's so 'last year'-!!
Major-
I'm surprised Paul Pressler missed that opportunity to add a 'Power Tools Market' to the line-up of Main Street businesses. (Yet another nail in his coffin-!)
"I do love a good malted milk ball, although the last time I had some (maybe last Halloween), the chocolate was pretty bad. I’d love a gourmet malted milk ball!" In 1996, Hershey Foods Corp. acquired Leaf North American confectionary operations, maker of Whoppers malted milk balls. (Leaf has its own history including: In 1947, the Overland Candy Company [makers of Whoppers brand malted milk candy] merged with the Chicago Biscuit Company, Leaf Confectionary Company, and Leaf Machinery to form Leaf Brands. In 1948, Leaf issued its first set of baseball cards, the first post-World War II color set. In 1949, Leaf Brands reintroduced Whoppers Malted Milk Balls.)
Judging from the ingredient list - not much change has occurred over all those years - including the fact the 'chocolate' coating has always consisted of sugar, corn syrup, vegetable shortening [now, hydrogenated palm kernel oil], and finally: cocoa. I haven't the vaguest idea if the quality of the cocoa was better 'back in the day', but I can guarantee you the "coating" on the balls under Hershey's stewardship is based purely on profit and shareholder value, and bears little resemblance to high-quality or great chocolate/cocoa flavor; hence your disappointment-! On the other hand, I don't recall this product ever being noted for its "great" chocolate flavor; and with the exception of an original box from Overland Candy Company, in the 1940’s – when they were called ‘Malt-ettes Chocolate Malted Balls’ – the words ‘chocolate’ or ‘cocoa’ have never appeared on the packaging - other than cocoa listed as an ingredient. So... enjoy the malt.
Check the ingredient list on Maltesers … the English version I ate as a young laddie…I think they still use the word “chocolate” on them, so might still be a wee authentic. I did go to Britain today via Epcot, formerly EPCOT Center, and commonly referred to as ECPOT, EKSNOT, or EKOORT OR “that Apricot place near Disneyland”. All real stories. Crowds at the former EPCOT Center rival those of the Vatican Museum on a Summer day. The heat index was also similar. I could wax poetic about the rampant TRE of the former Future World/Communicore/et.al. I think the Lagoon may be worthy of its own blog post and it’s subsequent and unfortunate TRE. Sight lines created by Imagineers at WED are no longer. Perhaps someone will wake up. World Showcase although a wee watered down from my last visit in 1983…or was it ‘84? Employees are still imported in from different countries, and the attitude I encountered in the French Perfumery was palpable…I enjoyed that COMPLETELY! The food in France was delightful, and not owned by Disney, so that made sense. The service was also lovely. I enjoyed preferred parking and although quite expensive it was less than a parking spot in Manhattan any day. I did not go on a single attraction, and even though I purchased a Genie Plus, there was no opportunity to use it, as open Lightning Lane access was well past my expiration date. I don’t do “Mars things” or otherwise. In the day we’re we’re not to refer to the Theme Park at Epcot. It was Epcot Center with ALL of Walt Disney World being “EPCOT”. In addition, there was to be no mention of a mouse or any other big five stuff. Figment: OK, maybe the broccoli in Kitchen Kabaret. There were mucho mice, and others…which you wait in line to see (?). If you haven’t been, you should go. If you’ve been: “brace for impact”. Glad I went. Now back to Carnation.
Major, I grew up with Carnation dairy products on the East Coast. I think they’re owned by Nestle now.
Macrame owls made a bit of a comeback a few years ago. I remember seeing more than one woman wearing tiny macrame owl earrings.
Bu, I weep at the levels of TRE in my beloved EPCOT.
@ Bu-
I join-in the weeping, right along with Melissa, for 'my' beloved EPCOT. Evidently, it's impossible or very hard to 'go home again'. Pity.
Re: White House in Anaheim...Residential Home turned restaurant via the noted Stovall family of "The Inn of Tomorrow" and others. They still have hotels...or lets call them "Motor Hotels". Before the Stovalls, Lost and Found Louise grew up in this house. https://anaheimwhitehouse.com/about-us/our-history/ There was an article written about the house, and how Louise's mom wanted it, but it was owned already...it's fuzzy and I can't find the article on the interspace. Louise was named after her mother, also Louise. She was a character and has appeared in a GDB post....the one where Mickey is riding Goofy like a horse on Main Street...or something like that....it was odd, but memorable photo, and Louise is in the photo laughing. I will look for the cone shop photo. The cones have a 2 degree of separation from me...that has to do with Denmark and President Lincoln...
I feel the pain over the levels of TRE in Epcot. Somebody called it "Universal Studios Lake Buena Vista" due to the movie tie-ins that dominate all new attractions, and I think that's a more accurate name than anything evoking the history of EPCOT Center.
Since we're also on the topic of diminished candy. Mounds are not what they used to be, also following the acquisition of Peter Paul by Hershey's. They used to be a must-buy in October due to the the association in my brain with Halloween - due to their sponsorship of the Charlie Brown and Garfield Halloween specials throughout the 1980s. With the oily quality of the chocolate coating and large fraction of cloying corn syrup in the coconut center, I don't bother with them anymore. I can't believe their sales are not affected by the substitutions.
Nanook....it’s not just the manufactured ‘food.’ I haven’t had a tasty watermelon in years. No flavor anymore. They used to be my favorite food. Maybe other parts of the country are still growing delicious, sweet watermelon?? But not here in the Midwest.
—Sue
Sue, I’m sure watermelons are much like tomatoes and strawberries - grown to look good and survive the rigors of shipping, but not to taste good. That being said, we have a local produce stand, and for a few months I was getting the BEST tomatoes!
Degraded candy: I had a craving for chocolate coated jellied orange sticks a couple days ago. So I bought some cheapies at a local store. That same brand used to be pretty good... key phrase is "used to be". Now the 'chocolate' is tasteless wax. TRE.
Sue, I think I've had one good watermelon in the last five years. So many of them, these days, have a rubbery texture and taste like cucumbers.
Cucumbers have suffered a similar fate to everything else - too watery with almost no flavor. I would not be surprised if they are no longer made with real chocolate.
Chuck - ha! everyone knows real cucumbers are made with honey, not chocolate. Otherwise, they're just circubids.
Melissa, we've been getting excellent watermelons from our CSA farm in NJ the past few years. I never liked them before b/c grocery store ones were flavorless. Maybe it's a combo of shipping and local weather patterns.
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