tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post7574755670054402363..comments2024-03-28T05:45:51.239-07:00Comments on GORILLAS DON'T BLOG: More RescansMajor Pepperidgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09843598326995116014noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-34516576711793538362016-07-29T08:49:57.824-07:002016-07-29T08:49:57.824-07:00@Nanook, thanks for the clarification. My memorie...@Nanook, thanks for the clarification. My memories of that era are necessarily hazy. I checked over on the DL Hotel sites and it seems that the Sierra Tower didn't open till much later, so maybe these pics are toward the later end of the period. I doubt that the tower would have taken more than 2 years in that era.<br /><br />In any event, the subgrade work for Pirates and HM would make a heckuva hole.<br /><br />JGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-6116485175368859752016-07-29T07:02:16.948-07:002016-07-29T07:02:16.948-07:00The raft shot with the construction view is truly ...The raft shot with the construction view is truly amazing. <br /><br />On a side topic, I wonder, has anyone ever fallen off or been pushed from the rafts into the water? Seems like a fairly easy thing that could happen, say with a few rowdy teenagers. Snow White Archivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04715594290214114608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-64980311921480146042016-07-28T21:49:37.535-07:002016-07-28T21:49:37.535-07:00@ Chuck-
You've done it again-! (Are you cer...@ Chuck-<br /><br />You've done it again-! (Are you certain in a prior lifetime you weren't a research librarian-??) Thanks for passing this along.Nanookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07255357829181568172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-84665481311881534642016-07-28T21:20:02.299-07:002016-07-28T21:20:02.299-07:00Chuck, once again your amazing research and insigh...Chuck, once again your amazing research and insights on these posts add much to my enjoyment of this site. Thanks!K. Martinezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960970051790617367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-74471893743646359122016-07-28T20:11:01.603-07:002016-07-28T20:11:01.603-07:00Major, your memory is correct - the midship stairc...Major, your memory is correct - the midship staircases on both the <i>Twain</i>'s main (1st) and boiler (2nd) decks were moved aft sometime between the summer of 1960 and the summer of 1961. The midship cabin on the boiler deck seems to have been removed at the same time. I'm assuming the reasoning was to improve guest sightlines and mobility, although it also opens up space for several gun mounts.<br /><br />You can see the original configuration in this wonderful, undated-but-definitely-1950s shot from Daveland: http://davelandweb.com/marktwain/images/50s/Pre59BWNeg_N21.jpg . Note that while they removed the aft cabin on the boiler deck, the Texas (cabin) on the hurricane (3rd) deck remains unchanged. You know why? That's right - <b>nobody</b> messes with Texas.<br /><br />Chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01836717368846566211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-29454362464543085372016-07-28T17:59:34.427-07:002016-07-28T17:59:34.427-07:00"Limited Time Magic"...ha,ha Ken! And l..."Limited Time Magic"...ha,ha Ken! And let me guess....since the Disney Suite didn't exist back then, now they select a family and tell them they get to spend the night in a dirt hole!TokyoMagic!https://www.blogger.com/profile/16340756514811789233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-68421468475784462922016-07-28T15:35:38.948-07:002016-07-28T15:35:38.948-07:00I think I read somewhere that the construction &qu...I think I read somewhere that the construction "hole" in Frontierland was there for a while because of Disney's distractions with the New York World's Fair activities it was involved with.K. Martinezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960970051790617367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-88128179557821916592016-07-28T12:12:43.014-07:002016-07-28T12:12:43.014-07:00@ JG-
1962 really does seem early for NOS constru...@ JG-<br /><br />1962 really <i>does</i> seem early for NOS construction to have commenced, but it did begin then, starting with the demolition of the Chicken Plantation House, back in January. That date is fairly well-documented (the 1962-part of it). By 1963, the exterior of what would eventually become <i>The Haunted Mansion</i> was already erected and attracting interest from guests. The show building on the other side of the railroad tracks, was some years away from completion, however.Nanookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07255357829181568172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-48204432455202900372016-07-28T11:31:04.260-07:002016-07-28T11:31:04.260-07:00You're not crazy, Patrick--I think I see it to...You're not crazy, Patrick--I think I see it too!Steve DeGaetanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04947550539650692495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-86249272697834440352016-07-28T10:54:48.015-07:002016-07-28T10:54:48.015-07:00I am crazy to disagree with Steve DeGaetano, but I...I am crazy to disagree with Steve DeGaetano, but I think the stairway's there. I see a couple of banister posts, the silhouette of the railing and part of the landing. I think what throws it off is that the exhaust stack obscures part of it and looks like a solid structure against the white background.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13819318798840978404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-54528926388335442882016-07-28T10:39:59.712-07:002016-07-28T10:39:59.712-07:00Patrick Devlin, you were willing to do way more wo...Patrick Devlin, you were willing to do way more work than I was! On one of my anniversary posts I have a photo of New Orleans Square when it was a hole in the ground with cinder blocks and orange steel beams.<br /><br />K. Martinez, in 1958 and 1959, during all of that major construction in Tomorrowland, flyers were given out at the gate: “The Greatest Construction Show on Earth!” - making the construction an “attraction”!<br /><br />Matthew, I’ve read Marty’s story, and am surprised when I see a photo of workers out in the open during regular hours. It doesn’t happen a lot, but it definitely DOES happen!<br /><br />Steve DeGaetano, I seem to remember reading that, at one point, one of the Twain’s stairways was reconfigured in some way, though I am unclear as to exactly what was changed. I wonder if that is why the stairs are missing?<br /><br />JG, I do believe that the piles of dirt are from both the Mansion and from the digging going on over where "Pirates" would eventually go.Major Pepperidgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09843598326995116014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-17273085226089504082016-07-28T10:32:25.614-07:002016-07-28T10:32:25.614-07:00Very cool pics indeed. 1962 seems early for NOS, ...Very cool pics indeed. 1962 seems early for NOS, but it looks like too much earth to be just the below-grade part of the Haunted Mansion.<br /><br />Nice work on the lines. What did we do before Google Earth?<br /><br />JGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-16639214762774111902016-07-28T10:29:44.481-07:002016-07-28T10:29:44.481-07:00Some how my eye always picks up on the strange det...Some how my eye always picks up on the strange details: In the fourth pic, the overall shot of the Twain, the stern stairway ("companionway") on the main deck is AWOL.Steve DeGaetanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04947550539650692495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-37984474122142466932016-07-28T10:04:34.427-07:002016-07-28T10:04:34.427-07:00So much for Marty Sklar's being the only truck...So much for Marty Sklar's being the only truck parked along the Rivers of America the day Walt got upset with him. ;-)<br /><br />Always your pal,<br />Amazon BelleMatthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00255173466705979931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-41068010598464953542016-07-28T09:48:18.755-07:002016-07-28T09:48:18.755-07:00When worlds collide! Just seeing the monorail bea...When worlds collide! Just seeing the monorail beam visible from Frontierland makes this pic extra-special. Thanks, Major!<br /><br />TokyoMagic! I believe that Frontierland's 2016 construction is part of the "Limited Time Magic" program. Remember when Frontierland was torn up in 1962? Come live the magic once again!K. Martinezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960970051790617367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-17786254360449055862016-07-28T09:40:04.346-07:002016-07-28T09:40:04.346-07:00Well, belatedly, nice work on the rescans, Major. ...Well, belatedly, nice work on the rescans, Major. Your work is a generous gift.<br /><br />Nanook, the line I drew was from halfway between the load building for the Mark Twain and the current raft loading station. I drew straight over the new Frontierland Station platform shelter, which is what is visible, I think, in those shots. It ends up pretty much dead on the Sierra tower. There's a funny (funny peculiar, not funny ha-ha) effect when the sight-lines open up at the Park: Everything is so much closer than we imagine when trees and other things get in the way. (I'm again pointing out the obvious to the choir here (to mix a metaphor(and to needlessly nest parenthetical remarks)) but I can ramble).<br /><br />I think those might be piles of overburden and spoils from the New Orleans dig. Maybe, maybe not. But I can remember that hole, lined by a concrete wall and topped by orange steel beams, for what seemed a couple of years and probably was. We'd peek through the gaps in the big green fence and there was just...a hole! Oh, the anticipation...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13819318798840978404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-82507981983093900982016-07-28T08:53:04.772-07:002016-07-28T08:53:04.772-07:00Nanook, I think that is certainly correct; what I ...Nanook, I think that is certainly correct; what I am wondering about is the fact that these are both from 1962, but New Orleans Square officially opened in May of 1966 (it was Walt Disney’s last major public appearance). At what point did shops and eateries open? Surely the area wasn’t dirt and 2 X 4’s for four years. And was the area referred to as New Orleans Square for years before the dedication ceremonies? If I had access to my INA guides I’d do some research!<br /><br />TokyoMagic!, it had to be said.<br /><br />Patrick Devlin, let’s see those lines!Major Pepperidgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09843598326995116014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-23111829864843685972016-07-28T07:49:54.143-07:002016-07-28T07:49:54.143-07:00Wowza! Big time dirt, and I love it. I think you&#...Wowza! Big time dirt, and I love it. I think you're dead on about the monorail beam, Major, And I think that's the Sierra Tower going up way back in the distance. I'm off to GoogleMaps to draw some lines...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13819318798840978404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-86644192247006763652016-07-28T01:33:52.238-07:002016-07-28T01:33:52.238-07:00If it weren't for the vintage trucks (and the ...If it weren't for the vintage trucks (and the Monorail beam), these pics could be confused for current shots of Frontierland. There, I said it.TokyoMagic!https://www.blogger.com/profile/16340756514811789233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25922463.post-26984511839784721252016-07-28T00:18:58.089-07:002016-07-28T00:18:58.089-07:00Major-
Although it's a bit hard to tell, I pr...Major-<br /><br />Although it's a bit hard to tell, I presume the construction we see here is the beginning stages of making New Orleans Square. These are some wonderful views. <br /><br />Thanks, Major, for resurrecting these rare images.Nanookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07255357829181568172noreply@blogger.com