Da Subs, June 1967
Here's a pair of fun views of the wonderful Submarine Lagoon on a perfect June day. As always, I love the expanse of turquoise water; here at the load area, the lagoon is roiling with bubbles from undersea vents. The ramp up to the Monorail platform is to our right (looks like the ramp could use a few paint touch-ups). An R2-D2 trashcan observes the mayhem silently. Beep-boop!
The lady with the white sweater and red skirt must be related to the photographer, she smiles in our direction just before she boards the genuine new-kew-lar sub (I assume the girl next to her is her daughter, waving at us). Why wouldn't the person who took the picture be in line with the rest? Maybe they suffered from claustrophobia, or ichthyophobia, or aquaphobia. Or all of the above.
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Major-
What a beautiful day, indeed-! "... looks like the ramp could use a few paint touch-ups".
I wouldn't look too carefully at the other areas of the attraction, as there is plenty of 'deferred maintenance' to go around-!
That lady in 'red and white' is sporting a fabulous beehive hairdo-! (I hope she can fit inside the sub without the need for 'lowering her top'-!)
Thanks, Major.
I had to look up the meaning of Ichthyophobia…
”Ichthyophobia is the extreme, overwhelming, and irrational fear of fish, both alive and dead, which can significantly impact a person's daily life and social activities. People with this condition may experience intense anxiety or panic attacks when exposed to fish or fish-related stimuli, leading to avoidance behaviors such as avoiding aquariums, seafood restaurants, or swimming in the ocean. The fear is often disproportionate to any actual danger posed by the fish and can persist for six months or more to be classified as a phobia.”
I’m sorry, Major, but I’m trying my best to not laugh out loud. The above definition is what’s especially humorous—NOT the fact that some people are dealing with this fear.
OoOOh, pretty! The gaggle of people provides a lot of extra color. A perfect compliment to the aquamarine 'sea' and cerulean sky (and rusty blue ramp).
I can sense the excitement, looking at the people in the queue. The Submarines is a novel ride (did anything like it exist elsewhere?). So the anticip____ation is amped up higher than it would be for other, more common rides; even the Matterhorn, which is a well-themed roller coaster, after all.
Sue, name anything, and there are gonna be some people who absolutely, positively canNOT have anything to do with it! Humans are stoopid.
Bright, happy pictures! Thanks, Major.
Major, since you started the conversation on phobias, do you know the meaning of this phobia [without looking it up]? (It won’t surprise me if you do.) In case you don’t know, I’ll give you one clue: It has nothing to do with the Jungle Cruise:
hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia
Walt Disney was only gone six months and already Disneyland was going to pot. I guess after repainting all the shooting gallery metal targets every night, they didn't have the time to touch up the monorail ramps? ;-)
Love these Sub Lagoon pics. Thanks, Major.
JB, you’re right! Until tonight, I had no idea that some people suffer from RedLobsterRestaurantaphobia.
JB, there were submarine rides at Nara's Dreamland in Japan, and also the West Edmonton Mall in Canada!
I wonder if there's ever been an ichthyologist who developed ichthyophobia?
Thanks, Major!
Major, June 1967 means that the PeopleMover trackway was brand spankin new!! :) No trains yet...
I think that submarine captains purpously look for undersea vents since the decreased buoyancy in aerated water helps the subs to descend easier.
I'm sure that crusty Speedramp to the Monorail platform got a lot of use. Just think that there will soon be four more operating not too far away in the New Tomorrowland. :D
The dual photos, seconds apart, are fun to compare. I was going to say the man in the striped shirt developed a case of ichthyophobia and chickened out, but I can see the blue cap of the kid he's carrying in the second photo, (unless the kid was quickly handed to the white shirt guy).
I like these sub photos. Generally I prefer my subs with a soft roll, Mayo, mustard, onions and peppers, mortadella and salami, with provolone please. Occasionally tuna fish, as I am only mildly jittery, not phobic. But these Disney subs are fine in plain gray.
Good eye on the trash can Major. Notice also how the concrete retaining walls has been worked around the native formations of Anaheim granite. Very subtle. And the expensive stainless steel handrails, possibly a defense against the corrosive chlorine sub water that has wreaked havoc on the speed ramp.
Sue, I recognize parts of that word as being “long footed” but not sure about the whole thing.
I think the photographer is putting his family on the subs and will dash upstairs to the monorail, buzz over to the Monorail Bar in the hotel, grab a beer and be back by the the time they get off.
Thanks Major!
JG
Nanook, I know that a water-based ride like the Subs develops maintenance issues faster than most, but that beat-up ramp is pretty ratty. My hair is just like that lady’s!
Lou and Sue, it does seem hard to believe that anybody would experience “intense anxiety of panic attacks” due to FISH. But that’s how fears are… often irrational. I know what you mean, the definition of Ichthyophobia is pretty preposterous!
JB, yeah, I like these more than I expected to (since I have so many photos of the subs), the people boarding make all the difference. I know that Nara Dreamland had a submarine ride, and I think there might have been others, but there weren’t many even close to Disneyland’s classic! Not long ago I was reading about a “fear of fuzz”, though I forget what it was called.
Lou and Sue, hmmm, that rings a bell, butI can’t remember exactly what it was in relation to. I can guess though!
K. Martinez, I was thinking the same thing, would the Sub queue look as rusty if Walt was still patrolling the park? That being said, we have seen examples of stuff that was “bad show” when he was alive, maybe by then his interests had moved away from Disneyland and on to Florida and other things.
Lou and Sue, I have “Applebeesphobia”! The two times I’ve gone, the food has been terrible.
TokyoMagic!, I wonder if the submarine ride at Nara Dreamland had similar underwater scenes compared to the Disneyland ride? I’ve never heard a thing about it! You wouldn’t think that an ichthyologist would be afraid of fish, but maybe they got into the field to face their fears.
Omnispace, good point, I didn’t really think about why there were no Peoplemover trains on the track. I look for undersea vents because I love to collect those tube worms for a delicious feast! A little garlic butter - fantastic! Wow, I really had to search for that kid’s blue cap. I’m assuming striped-shirt dad is still holding the kid.
JG, not too many onions though! Working in an office, it is inevitable that somebody will have a sub for lunch, and the whole office will stink of raw onions. It’s amazing how nasty they are! Those “granite” rocks look pretty good, the Disneyland artisans had really upped their game in recent years. I wonder if they had to practice a lot on rocks that were never used? I was thinking that maybe grandma or grandpa took these photos, a lot of times the grandparents are content to wait on a bench (preferably in the shade).
It was always great to see submarine "Patrick Henry," since I grew up on Patrick Henry Place in Agoura, CA.
I suspect no major work was being done on the Monorail ramp and station since it’s months away from being demolished. A whole new Monorail station is about to go in. Disneyland just spent millions on a New Tomorrowland phase one … a phase Two is underway for ‘68 but is postponed … they just added one of the most expensive elaborate attractions in the history of mankind over in New Orleans square ( which is also still new) and all you 21st century online types can do is complain about some rusty Speedramp panels !! Lol.
In reality there had been several things completely designed to be ready for the 1967 Tomorrowland that for several reasons were not… including a water fountain & sculpture along the north facing Tomorrowland Skyway exit ( pay phone row ) and along with the New Autopia Cars that began to be inserted into service in 1967 through 1968 there was a Autopia traffic control tower and a updated load unload station for Tomorrowland. There was another monorail station design that was put in hold and was replaced with the bigger design ultimately built to accommodate the larger monorail trains that went into service in 1969. Submarine Voyage had a major rehab in early 1967 and another major one in 1972.
The 1959 monorail Speed Ramp was by the Adamson company … but the 1967 Carousel of Progress , PeopleMover , and the New Monorail Station used GOODYEAR SPEEDRAMPS ( Adamson either worked with Goodyear or was absorbed by them ) GOODYEAR even did a series of advertising in Architectural and urban planning magazines using the new Disneyland monorail station SPEEDRAMP … “everyday thousands of people ride Disneyland’s new Goodyear SpeedRamps …… and an occasional mouse.”
Steve DeGaetano, I’ll bet that was a nice place to grow up!
Mike Cozart, thanks for that info, I am not sure I knew that there was a “phase one” and a “phase two” for Tomorrowland, but now that you’ve listed the various additions, it all makes sense. You mentioned an “Autopia traffic control tower”, jeez, I don’t remember seeing that in photos. I probably HAVE seen it, I just don’t recall it. Anyway, now it makes sense that they wouldn’t repaint the Monorail station if the old one was to be replaced. I like to think of myself as a “21st Century online type”!! That’s why I wear silver lamé as often as possible.
Mike Cozart, I still have to look through my mom’s old photos to see if I can find any photos of Mr. Stevens and/or Mr. Adamson with my grandparents - I should do it while my mom is still with us, because I would not recognize them. My mom said that both men were very old so she didn’t have much interaction with them.
These are bright and cheery and evoke fond memories. I'll take 'em.
Sue, I'm not sure what that word means, but the very length of it terrifies me!
MAJOR: the NEW TOMORROWLAND phase two marketed as “Tomorrowland ‘68” included a new World Clock , Space Adventure ( Space mountain ) the 7-up space shooting gallery and snak bar , the FLYING SAUCERS , and SATURN ( a indoor version of Rocket Jets)
The new Monorail station design ( that was held off and never built ) the Autopia Traffic Control Tower and the Skyway station fountains were never built. There were other things planed as well including a second PeopleMover straight-away station right in front of Fantasyland Autopia , and a PeopleMover storage facility not fair from the monorail storage- this was going to be hidden behind fake rockwork and waterfalls.
The new monorail station built for the mark 3 monorails was NOT the same as the one designed and not built for 1967.
The first 1967 monorail station ( unbuilt) the 1967 Autopia traffic control tower ( unbuilt ) and the Skyway sculpture & fountains ( unbuilt) were all to be part of phase 1 new Tomorrowland. Technically there was also the new Alpine Gardens dance floor & restaurant that was to be part of Tomorrowland ‘68 - I show a model
Of it on my old TOMORROWLOUNGE BLOG … it was also held off … and almost built in 1973 when carnation gardens was going to be removed to start construction of the entry for the 1974 version of Disneyland’s LIBERTY SQUARE ( unbuilt)
It’s always difficult to explain some of these unbuilt projects that were completely designed and ready to go because so many of them relied on other projects happening or being completed ( Disneyland’s Liberty Square 1972, Liberty Square 1974, Liberty Square 1983, Liberty Square 1992 being a big example )
BTW : the two station PeopleMover plan allowed guests to disembark at the Fantasyland station but not board there … and after study it was felt this would cause confusion to guests - by WED really wanted to show an example of a multi-station PeopleMover …
… and one more “one more thing”
You’ll hear lots of stories about hit the 1967 Tomorrowland Terrace band stand was suppose to have a water fountain atop it . This was not the case - and people are confusing it with the plans for the rising bandstand and water fountain “curtain” that was suppose to be in the unbuilt ALPINE GARDENS / relocated Plaza Gardens ) the fountain band curtain was in all
If its design from 1967 to 1973 despite the architectural exterior look had changed over time . Again also never constructed.
Why wouldn't the person who took the picture be in line with the rest?
I forgot to mention that I have photos of my Mom, my brother, and me boarding a Jungle Cruise boat, a Submarine, and a Storybook Land Canal Boat. The photos were taken by my dad. He LOVED Disneyland, but I think sometimes it was more important to the photographer in him, that he capture a special photo of his family having fun rather than actually going on the ride himself.
I wonder if the submarine ride at Nara Dreamland had similar underwater scenes compared to the Disneyland ride? I’ve never heard a thing about it!
Major, last night, I did a search for it just to see how long their ride lasted. I knew that it wasn't still there when the park closed. Several images came up and it looks like the exterior was very similar to Disneyland's version.
Nara Dreamland Submarine ride
If you use the left and right arrows on either side of that pic, you can see a few pics taken from inside their subs. Now I'm wondering if they had real fish in their lagoon. And is that a real dolphin peering at guests through one of the portholes? I guess it's not likely.
I see in the comments of that link I provided above that the photos are of the other Dreamland in Yokohama, and not in Nara. The commentor stated that each park had a sub ride, but that they differed slightly in appearance. The Yokohama Dreamland closed 4 years before it's sister park in Nara. (And it had opened three years after the Nara park.)
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